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On peut ne pas aimer l'acte sexuel entre deux hommes du meme sexe, mais entre avis et acte ou meme parole y'a une ligne qui est celle du bien vers le mal.
comme les polituqes, ils critiquent le pen le traitant de fasciste mais ils agissent comme tel en changeant par 3 fois le systeme d'élections avec pour but avoué de les niker, tt le monde dit c'est bien c'est le FN on a eu raison. Ou bien on dis qu'on deteste ci ou ça et un jour ou on y pense pas on le fait.
Y'a un truc pas concret qui dis ce qu'il est bien d'aimer ou non etc..
Ne fait pas aux autres ce que tu n'aimerais pas qu'on te fasse.
Mais après comme il est normal de chier sur le pen il est anormal de ne pas aimer les homos ou les musulmans ou les juifs ou les femmes ou autres et c'est de la connerie. On ne juge pas mais on a tous des avis sur les choses et de juger l'avis de quelqu'un c'est Juger. Je m'en fout que mon voisin aime pas les noirs ou bien meme vote le Fn tant qu'il ne va pas insulter un gars ou bien faire du mal a quelqu'un. Y'a des trucs que j'aime pas mais j'aimerais pas leurs faire du mal car je me ferais du mal a moi meme.
Laissons les gens se battrent, s'insulter, ou meme s'enculer, ne rentrons pas dans leurs jeux c'est tout, ils seront punis et si on agit comme eux, nous aussi.

chacun peut bien faire ce qui lui plait, la nature (ou dieu) nous a pas fabriqué pour qu'on s'encule mais elle nous a pas fabriqué non plus pour qu'on respire de la fumée, chacun sait que c mauvais pour la santé et pourtant on le fait, je comprend que les croyants soient contre l'homosexualité vu que dieu a brulé sodome, donc c pas seulement une question de tolérance ou de gène c aussi une question de croyance

Mais non man ... il n'est pas si intolérant que ça ... il est juste un peu rude et il faut ..... toi aussi tu n'est pas un mauvais bougre ... et sache qu'un chrétien sicère n'est ps forcément paien ... il faut juste que tu fasse attention au catolicisme man .... les catholiques mettent encore le Christ sur un croix, .... ça il faut t'en méfier ..... il est soit récussité, soit sur une croix .... mais pas les dux en même temps ... vivant où mort ..... nous nous avons vu "a living man" ..... mais sache que j'ai rencontré dans ma vie des chrétiens plus rude qu'Ijahmin et moi réunis ... je doute qu'il soient paiens .... Suivre les voies de DIEU !

hey .... si un jour t'as l'occasion d'aller le voir sur msn fais le man tu verra qu'il n'est pas ce dont il a l'air .... il est juste rude et bobo ashanti ... c tout ...

Sois béni et que JAH te guide

J'ai parlé de race inférieure? Supérieure? Ou est-ce encore le fruit pourri de ton imagination qui n'est pas très fertile à ce qu'on voit.

Tu fais quoi jusqu'à maintenant à part chercher à dire du mal des gens, à interprêter leurs propos? Si tu pars comme ça, on ne trouvera jamais un terrain d'entente.

Je réfléchie avant de parler et ne vais pas m'enflammer pour nourrir une rage futile que t'essaies d'allumer depuis le début entre nous.

Tu parles de race supérieure?de race inférieure?
A AUCUN MOMENT je ne prononce le mot race!C'est toi qui m'insultes là!
Comme dis JML, Rastaman juge mais le rastaman voie.Dieu nous voie dans tout ce que nous faisons, on ne doit jamais l'oublier, et je ne vais pas te citer des versets de la bible pour illustrer, c'est inutile.Li juste le Lévitique ou la Genèse.Je n'ai pas besoin de citer des références, des passages de Black Supremacy, du Kebra Nagast ou Negus in Majestic Traditions of Ethiopia pour faire passer une pseudo-spiritualité.
Spirituel oui, mais dans la parole et en vrai, pas sur un forum de musique, il y a des moments et des lieux pour parler de telles choses.
Oui reste dans le délire son et planques-y toi bien.Tu ne fais rien avancer, tu ne cherches même pas à me comprendre mais à interprêter ou à lire entre les lignes alors que c'est clair ce que je dis.
Le message du LIVRE? Le Livre comme tu dis est bourré de contradictions, la bible est maintes fois traduites et pour bien comprendre son messages il faut lire d'autres choses, s'enfermer dans la bible est très dangereux, il y a les apocryphes aussi et RIEN ne remplace la parole.
Les chrétiens ont une bien piètre opinion de Rasta, c'est bien connu, et pourtant je ne t'ai pas mis une étiquette contrairement à toi man.

What Christian Youth say about Rastas

By Rick Branch

Founder: Marcus Garvey's philosophy is credited as the beginning point.

Founding Date: 1930

Official Publication: None

Organization Structure: No official church buildings or leaders. Each individual group and person is autonomous.

Unique Terms: Babylon is Jamaica or the establishment. I and I refers to God in all or the brotherhood of mankind

Other Names: Ras Tafari and Rastas

While it is most often associated with dreadlocks, smoking of marijuana and reggae music, the Rastafarian religion is much more than simply a religion of Jamaica. With its beginnings in the Jamaican slums, Rastafarianism has spread throughout the world and currently has a membership of over 700,000 (The Rastafarians: Sounds of Cultural Dissonance, Leonard E. Barrett, Sr., p. viii).

HISTORY
As with many other religious groups, the history of this one also begins before the group itself. Marcus Garvey, born in 1887, would direct the philosophical ideologies that would eventually grow into the Rastafarian movement.

In the early 1920's, Garvey was an influential black spokesman and founder of the "back-to-Africa" movement. He often spoke of the redemption of his people as coming from a future black African king (Magical Blend, June/July 1994, p. 76). On one occasion, Garvey proclaimed, "Look to Africa for the crowning of a Black King, he shall be the Redeemer" (The Rastafarians, p. 67). Only a few years later that prediction would be fulfilled in the person of Ethiopia's king, Haile Selassie. As Barrett has explained, "in the pantheon of the Rastafarians, Marcus Garvey is second only to Haile Selassie" (Ibid).

On November 2, 1930, Ras Tafari Makonnen was crowned king of Ethiopia. Upon his coronation, he claimed for himself the titles of "Emperor Haile Selassie (Power of the Trinity) I, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Elect of God and King of the Kings of Ethiopia" (Ethiopia and Haile Selassie, Peter Schwab, editor, p. 11).

After the crowning of Selassie and the apparent fulfillment of the millennial expectations of Marcus Garvey, the Rastafarian movement gained a following and officially began in 1930 (The Rastafarians, p. x).

One of its early leaders was Leonard Howell, who in 1933 was "arrested by the Jamaican government for preaching a revolutionary doctrine" (The Perennial Dictionary of World Religions, Keith Crim, editor, p. 601).

While Howell's doctrines [which will be noted later] helped shape the theology of the movement, his arrest helped shape the movement's organizational structure. As Barrett explained, "The harassment of Howell by the police might have been the reason why Rastafarians have decided to remain leaderless, a decision which has strengthened the movement" (The Rastafarians, p. 91).

One of the key doctrines of Rastafarians had been their expectation that they would one day return to Africa, "the Zion which would be restored to them after centuries in the Diaspora" (Rastaman, p. 243). Garvey, with his "back-to-Africa" ideology had inspired much of this hope.

In 1960 this anticipated move seemed potentially possible. With the help of the Jamaican government, a delegation of Rastafarians set out on a mission to Africa. "Though no large-scale immigration to Africa by Jamaicans was achieved, the sending of some Rastafarian leaders to Africa resulted in the movement's enhanced knowledge of African realities, and probably diffused the movement's enthusiasm for immediate repatriation" (The Rastafarians, pp. 100-101).

An important historical event in the Rastafarian movement occurred when Haile Selassie visited Jamaica on April 21, 1966. This event resulted in two profound developments within the movement. First, Selassie convinced the Rastafarian brothers that they "should not seek to immigrate to Ethiopia until they had liberated the people of Jamaica." Second, from that time forth, April 21 has been celebrated as a "special holy day" among Rastafarians (Ibid, pp. 158, 160).

On August 27, 1975, Haile Selassie died. With his death came various forms of rationalization from many Rastafarians. The responses concerning Selassie's death ranged from "his death was a fabrication" to "his death was inconsequential because Haile Selassie was merely a `personification' of God" (Rastaman: The Rastafarian Movement in England, Ernest Cashmore, pp. 59-60). As the Magical Blend states, "When Selassie died in 1975, his divinity did not die with him. According to current belief, the Ras Tafari lives on through individual Rastafarians" (June/July 1994, p. 76).

Currently, the Rastafarian movement has official branches in England, Canada, the Caribbean islands and America as well as members in most of the civilized countries (The Perennial Dictionary of World Religions, p. 601).

It has also experienced some fragmentation since the death of Selassie. One of the prominent splinter-groups, known as the Twelve Tribes of Israel, founded by Vernon Carrington has its headquarters in New York (The Rastafarians, pp. 210, 227, 236). Other groups which "claim allegiance to Ras Tafari" are the Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church and the Ethiopian World Federation (Ibid, p. 238).

DOCTRINE
As Cashmore has observed, "The belief system of Ras Tafari was so vague and loosely defined, even at its inception, due to its lack of a single authoritative voice, that what was to be acceptable doctrine was largely a matter of individual interpretation" (Rastaman, p. 7).

Early in the history of the movement, Leonard Howell gave the Rastafarians six principles. "(1) hatred for the White race; (2) the complete superiority of the Black race; (3) revenge on Whites for their wickedness; (4) the negation, persecution, and humiliation of the government and legal bodies of Jamaica; (5) preparation to go back to Africa; and (6) acknowledging Emperor Haile Selassie as the Supreme Being and only ruler of Black people" (The Rastafarians, p. 85). As Barrett notes, "This first glimpse of the new doctrine that launched the Rastafarian movement has not changed significantly over the years" (Ibid).

Aside from these six principles are two overriding concepts that are key to the Rastafarian system.

First is the idea or teaching about Babylon which refers to the Jamaican government, the establishment or the white oppressors in general (Ibid, pp. xiii, 3, 89).

The second concept is that of I and I which has "become arguably the most important theoretical tool apart from the Babylonian conspiracy in the Rastafarian repertoire" (Rastaman, p. 66). Cashmore explains, "I and I is an expression to totalize the concept of oneness. `I and I' as being the oneness of two persons. So God is within all of us and we're one people in fact. `I and I means that God is in all men. The bond of Ras Tafari is the bond of God, of man. But man itself needs a head and the head of man is His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie of Ethiopia'" (Ibid, p. 67).

Other doctrines which are more loosely taught and believed by the Rastafarians are the following:

1) Rastafarians have a doctrine of avatar which is very similar to Hinduism. They believe, "God revealed himself in the person of Moses, who was the first avatar or savior. The second avatar was Elijah. The Third avatar was Jesus Christ. Now the advent of Ras Tafari is the climax of God's revelation" (The Rastafarians, p. 112). They even teach that Jesus predicted the coming of Haile Selassie (Ibid, p. 106).

2) The devil is actually the god of the White man (Ibid, p. 108).

3) As with many new religious movements, the Rastafarians only accept the Bible conditionally preferring those passages that can be forced to harmonize with their unique doctrines. "Rastas accept the Bible as their central text with the proviso that much of its original material had been deliberately distorted during its translation into English. It is necessary, therefore, to interpret the Bible as critically as possible and recognize the aspects of it which might have been flushed out, included or altered in meaning." Further, they prefer an allegorical approach to Bible interpretation claiming that the pages of Scripture should be searched for "hidden meanings and directives" (Rastaman, p. 74).

4) Women's role in the Rastafarian movement is at best a subordinate one (Ibid, p. 78).

5) A physical feature that sets the Rastafarians apart from all other groups is the wearing of their hair in dreadlocks. "Dreadlocks were inspired by a biblical injunction against the cutting of one's hair" (Magical Blend, June/July 1994, p. 76).

6) Another commonly held belief among the Rastafarians is their emphasis on the smoking of marijuana. "Likewise, ganga or marijuana is considered to be the `holy herb' mentioned in the Bible and its smoking is a holy sacrament to many" (Ibid, June/July 1994, p. 76). As Barrett explains, through the use of ganga, the Rastafarian reaches an altered state of consciousness. In this altered state, "the revelation that Haile Selassie is God and that Ethiopia is the home of the Black" is realized. "The herb is the key to new understanding of the self, the universe, and God. It is the vehicle to cosmic consciousness" (The Rastafarians, pp. 254-255).

7) In line with their idea of being the supreme race, the Rastafarians also believe that they "1/4were the reincarnations of the ancient tribes of Israel who had been enslaved and kept in exile by their white oppressors, the agents of Babylon" (Rastaman, p. 129)

8) True Rastafarians are also vegetarians (The Rastafarians, p. 126).

BIBLICAL RESPONSE
As with many other groups which selectively acknowledge biblical passages, the Rastafarians will only accept those parts of the Bible which appear to agree with their unique theological perspectives. However, the following verses may be of some help.

1) Haile Selassie is not the latest avatar of God, for Jesus was the fullness of God. John 1:16; Eph. 1:20-23; Col. 1:19, 2:9.

2) No race is superior to any other race. Gal. 3:28; Col. 3:11.

3) While it is true that the Bible does have meanings on various levels of interpretation, it is not a concealed book. Also, it is not a book that can be selectively believed. Rom. 15:4; 2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20.

4) The Rastafarian's view of Jesus being only one of several "avatars" depreciates Christ's unique claims to deity and His role as sole mediator between God and man. John 8:58; Acts 4:12; 1Tim. 2:5.

Je te laisse le soin de traduire, pourtant je n'en ai pas tenu compte.
Non est paîen ce qui n'est pas Rasta, à partir du moment où on croit que Rasta est la seule rédemption.

Rouge est la couleur de notre sang exact,je ne le nie pas c'est un état de fait, et je ne vois pas le rapport.
Tu mélanges tout, n'essaie pas de te justifier et encore moins de m'insulter ça ne changera rien au débat.
T'es mal parti tu finira mal, tu perds ton temps si tu veux être mon ennemi.

Certains de nos ancêtres ont fait couler le sang d'innocents, c'est pour cela que nous réclamons réparations.

Mais je le sait déjà que nous avons tous le même sang:One race, One blood...
Mais l'Unité ne se crée pas à travers le sang versé...Mais devant l'Eternel, seul Rédempteur, nous sommes tous les mêmes et LUI nous jugera avec droiture et sans iniquité.

Attention Dara ... Rasta crois pas il sait !

Mais pour savoir faut penser et regarder

Point final.